The Power of Being: Embracing Authenticity and Sacred Rage
I had the pleasure of hosting Julie Palmer on my Soul Connection Call. Our conversation was a beautiful exploration of authenticity, sacred rage, and the power of being truly present with our emotions. As we dove deep into these topics, I found myself energized by the wisdom we uncovered together.
Episode Highlights
The importance of embracing all emotions, including rage and anger
How spiritual bypassing can hinder personal growth and healing
The value of authenticity in business and personal life
The impact of trauma on individuals and society
The power of collaboration in creating positive change
The Beauty of Human Glitter
One of the first things that struck me about Julie was her self-description as "human glitter." I loved how she explained it:
"When I'm with you, you're going to feel all sparkly and good, I hope. And then that will be left after I leave our one-on-one connection, just like glitter, you can't get rid of it sometimes. And it shows up in the oddest places, after the fact."
This beautiful metaphor resonated with me, as it aligns so well with my own desire to help people shine their light in the world.
Embracing Sacred Rage
A significant portion of our conversation revolved around the concept of sacred rage. Julie shared her personal experience with anger and how she's learned to dance with it:
"I have danced with it and some very interesting ways of late and not all have been healthy. I realized a few weeks ago that I was becoming really stuck because I wasn't doing enough to move through it."
This reminded me of the importance of allowing ourselves to feel and process our emotions, rather than suppressing them. As I mentioned during our talk:
"When we try to avoid, when we try to shove it all down, it becomes the disease. It becomes literally, our body is keeping the score constantly."
The Power of Being
One of the most powerful takeaways from our conversation was the importance of simply being with our emotions. I shared my perspective on this:
"There's a difference between being hijacked by and being able to process to be able to feel to be able to pause in it because when we try to avoid, when we try to shove it all down, it becomes the disease."
This idea of being present with our feelings, whether positive or negative, is crucial for personal growth and healing.
Collaboration for Collective Healing
Another key point that emerged from our discussion was the power of collaboration in creating positive change. Julie and I both recognized the importance of working together to make a difference in the world. As I mentioned:
"When we can collaborate and we can have an impact on more people, that's why these live conversations […] we just need to be having these conversations publicly because there are people that need to hear them."
The Ripple Effect of Personal Growth
One of the most inspiring aspects of our conversation was discussing how personal growth and healing can create a ripple effect in the world. I shared my perspective on this:
"If I, as one person can do my healing work and impact even just three people, and then each of those people then goes and impacts three and then each of them goes and impacts three... the branching gets so rapid."
This idea reinforces the importance of doing our own inner work and sharing our growth with others.
A Call to Authenticity
As we wrapped up our conversation, Julie shared a powerful statement about choosing how we show up in the world:
"I still get to choose how I'm showing up in this world."
This simple yet profound reminder of the core of our discussion on the power of being authentic and present.
My Soul Connection Call with Julie Palmer was a beautiful exploration of what it means to be fully human, embracing all aspects of our experience. I hope that by sharing these insights, you'll be inspired to embrace your own authenticity and sacred rage, recognizing the power you have to create positive change in the world.
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All My Love,
Safrianna Lughna
The Queer-Spirit Guide
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*Transcript was created in Descript and may not be 100% accurately transcribed.
The Power of Being w_ Safrianna Lughna & Julie Palmer
Safrianna: Anyway, I think we're live now. So hi, Julie. I know we haven't actually gotten a chance to talk one on one yet. So I'm excited to just have this conversation today and trust that whoever needs to hear it, we'll hear it. But that might mean that new people are hearing it. So can you go ahead and introduce yourself?
I'm And then I'll introduce myself.
Julie: Thank you. I would love to, and I'm excited for whatever becomes of this magical connection. I'm Julie Palmer. One of my best friends tagged me with the best way to describe me. She said, Julie is human glitter. And so I run with that because I think it's perfect.
And within that. When I'm with you, you're going to feel all sparkly and good, I hope. And then that will be left after I leave our one on one connection, just like glitter, you can't get rid of it sometimes. And it shows up in the oddest places, after the fact, and that's, my desire is to be human glitter.
Safrianna: And I
love that the whole, just showing up after the fact, I guess I'm sticking my face now. That is so funny because. A lot of my clients have described themselves as having a pocket Safriana, like they'll just cue into my voice like on their shoulder or in their pocket being like, Hey, you got this so that feels glitter like, yeah, I like that.
And yeah. So you are just like trying to make the world a shinier. Glittery or happier place for everyone.
Julie: Yes. And within that also resides a powerful voice of truth and inclusion and justice and some sacred rage because that's all part of who I am and I, I won't deny it. I am me completely and I am.
Never ever going to apologize. I'm too old to apologize for who I am because I love myself I am
Safrianna: so glad to hear that because so many people can't say that Yeah, so okay. Lots of threads. I want to follow. I'm Safriana Luna. I'm the queer spirit guide quantum creatrix divine Channel intuitive healer all that good stuff.
I'm me And similar to Julie my, my word for 2023 was shine because I'm trying to bring light. I too have been described as having a glittery personality, but I wouldn't say that I am the glitter. I'm more the bridge. That's, I help people in really short leaps get from point A to point B rather than doing like really long term work or anything like that.
I'm stepping away from my long term work because people get. To attached to my wisdom when I'm like, no, I want you to have your wisdom. So yeah, tell me, I'm I want to follow the rage. Tell me a little bit more about that because there's so much collectively happening right now that brings up anger and these big boundary violations collectively.
So how do you work with rage?
Julie: Oh I have danced with it and some very interesting ways of late and not all have been healthy. I realized a few weeks ago that I was becoming really stuck because I wasn't doing enough to move through it. To have. The experience and then let it pass. It was building up because I care deeply about what's happening in Ukraine.
I have since the day that Russia invaded, I care deeply for the women and the men seeking freedom in Iran. I care epically for what's happening here in our nation. And none of that actually even. As huge as that is, what's happening personally in my life right now. You saw some of that last night that is, is consuming me right now because I am a woman, I'm a mother, right?
I am biologically. My DNA, all of that is tuned to protect the ones I love most of all. And human glitter, yes, but when I feel that those I love are in danger, then boundaries have been obliterated. That is where the sacred rage comes in.
Safrianna: Yes.
Julie: Some have called it mama bear, right? Warrior battled goddess mode, whatever. And I feel like I am a little armored up, right? Cause I've got my sacred symbol with me today. The serpent in my rings on my tattoo, right? It is something that nourishes me and reminds me that I don't have to apologize for this anger because it is not fear based in terms of, Oh, I don't believe the same thing as you.
And so I must go and be angry and try to erase you. No, somebody is fucking with my family. And that is what matters most to me. Yeah.
Safrianna: Yeah. I, that is such a, an important point about you're this human glitter, right? We can be the love and light in the world and that should not bar us from our access to anger, to reach, to our boundaries, to what there's so much spiritual bypassing in the healing world.
And I'm seeing a lot more people talking about this now. I left I was kicked out of a spiritual community years and years ago because I started to speak up about the negativity and the hurt that was happening in it. Yes. And I remember once I was kicked out of it, like there being this moment of just absolute stunned confusion of.
Wait, why aren't we honoring the darkness? Why aren't we honoring the boundaries? Why aren't we honoring the anger, the sadness, the hurt? Those emotions are so important because they are, there are guidance system when we're able to tune into it properly, right? When it's not hijacking us and we're just able to be in it.
Like it's such an important guidance system for everything towards our highest good. And if you were without this rage. Based on what's going on in your life right now, you'd have no defenses, right? You just be letting it happen to you. And I don't don't believe in just letting things happen to us
Julie: now.
And once we achieve, I'll speak personally, once I achieved a contextual or yeah, a contextual shift. Where I recognize the difference between just responding to what is showing up in my life versus focusing on my ability to choose how I respond. And to take action based on those choices, I become the architect of my life.
I am the conductor of the orchestra in my life, right? And so I'm no longer simply, floating along in the river of life, bumping into everything, right? Oh, look at that big rock. Oh my gosh. A fish just bit my toe. And no, it's, I am here. I'm going to stand up against the current and I am going to Decide in this moment who I am, how I respond.
Hey fish, I hope it tasted good. That's fine. That doesn't affect me. And that rock I'll stand up on that rock. My voice will become louder and clearer. That was the choice I had last night when something happened, couldn't control the lies that led to somebody trying to keep me from taking care of my mother to remembering who I am.
Safrianna: Yeah.
Julie: And knowing that matters less how little sleep I got last night, I was able to scream into my pillow and rage and get a lot of it out, right? It's so necessary. It's so necessary because if it stays in here, right? That's where disease is. This ease. Yeah. See from, that is the root of so much that we don't want in our lives.
And wow, how do we really connect with that truth? Yes. Oof. Oh,
Safrianna: I titled this episode, the power of being just cause I know that we're both very aligned with being in our feelings. Again, there's a difference between being hijacked by and being able to process to be able to feel to be able to pause in it because when we try to avoid, when we try to shove it all down, it becomes the disease.
It becomes literally, our body is keeping the score constantly. I just said in the chat, I've come across the conductor metaphor and lots of therapy practice that practices the integrated aspects of us. Like IFS. Yeah, like I love the conductor metaphor too because as a creatrix, that's actually a metaphor for the creatrix is that we're literally at the front of the train and we're like seeing the timelines that are coming down in the possible splits and we're trying to get the collective on the timeline that's happening.
The healthiest and most aligned, but our personal train too, right? There's this collective journey, but then we all have our own personal journey that we are the conductor of, and we can end up giving that power away to others when we're trapped in societal systems,
Julie: absolutely. The moment we step into victim.
We let go of our power now. It's still within us to it's not like it's gone and out there and right. And I have to get it back. It's no, I'm believing the slide that disconnects me from my power. That's how I look at it. And in the moments where something. triggers that rage, it is still okay to have the experience and then to get back to what we know about who we truly are.
Safrianna: I, I just reminded me, you were talking about orchestra conducting and I'm talking about train conducting and they're all the same. Yeah. It's all this. Yeah. It's orchestrating. It's determining our path for our highest good. And if you weren't able to process this. this rage that you're experiencing from your boundaries, your sacred boundaries being violated.
Again, like you would be so disempowered and in that victim mentality. I think all of us in that victim mentality up to a point. And it's when we recognize that and when we truly recognize and again, step into being like, I'm going to be with my emotions. I'm going to sit with them instead of feeling like I'm at their whim or whatever.
By the way, I'm like working through some big collective throat chakra stuff right now for the collective. I feel like, cause as we're talking, I'm just like kneeling this. Energy here. I don't know if you're feeling that too.
Julie: Oh yeah, right there, babe. Right there. I'm like, thank
Safrianna: God I brought this tea up.
Yeah, like we have become so terrified to have our inner experience in, I'm leaving the trauma therapy world, but I used to work with a lot of people who had like complex dissociative disorders and I would work with them through this workbook that would talk about the phobia of inner experience.
Literally this we're afraid to look at our inner experience because society's prepped us to ignore it and spiritual bypassing and whatnot. Oh, just go to the high vibe. Go to the, you're supposed to be joyful all the time. And that's totally not true. And in fact has the opposite impact on
Julie: us.
Yeah. If this was A podcast about our businesses, right? I'd be talking about being the retreat goddess and how much I love curating retreats and travel experiences for people. And, oh, I love what my work and it's a joy to wake up in the morning, not feeling it today. I could not do that. So thank you.
Thank you. But this gets to be a space where I can show up with the rage, but still with the gratitude with everything that is feeling really good right now. And the support from the people who know me and I don't have to convince them with anything. I can just say, Hey, things really suck right now.
Safrianna: Yes. I'm
Julie: reaching out.
Safrianna: Exactly. I think that in our, there's this really interesting divide I'm seeing right now in the world in general, but especially in I'm sure you're interfacing with it because we've overlapped in some business spaces. That's how we came upon each other. There's this great divide happening that I'm witnessing right now where there's like this one group that's you are, your business needs to be this pristine entity untouched by human emotion.
And then there's this other no, we're humans and our businesses are extensions of us. And when we love our work, it's great. And loving our work doesn't void the rest of the bullshit in our life that's happening and the stuff in society that's happening and all of that. And I think it's I personally think it's so important that we come together as just fellow human beings, whether we're business owners or not, to have these kinds of conversations.
When I, so I'm a, I don't know if you know anything about human design, but like I'm a responder. And the first in this series of calls was because someone reached out and was like, Hey, how would you feel just hopping on live and like having a conversation about whatever? And I was like, sure. And then I was able to respond to that.
And I was like, oh my gosh, we need to have more spaces where we get together and talk, cause I and I have a podcast for living Luna and this season. Our first season was all talking about social issues and it was just the two of us. And then the second season that we're on currently has been bringing business owners in.
So a lot of it has been business talk, but I feel like we need to talk more about ourselves and the struggles that we go through that impact us. And then the people that want to work with us are going to come to us because they're like, you were honest in the way I needed to receive honesty.
Julie: Absolutely. And I was just in a conversation with a dear friend yesterday about how we attract all the right people because they see something within us that they connect with, that reminds them of themselves, whether it is, working through healing in a certain way, and being able to offer our wisdom.
Because of that, right? Or a desire to travel and connect intimately through beautiful retreats where we're going to do some work, right? There's a transformational piece to everything I do. And so it's, again, it's not just, Oh, look at us goddesses in this beautiful space in France or Greece or wherever.
No. No, because I can't serve people that way, right? I can't. I can curate a great travel experience that's what people love. And I will serve those who show up that way. Awesome. Thank you. Because it's still joyful and fun and delicious for me. But when I am designing something that has come from inspiration deep within my soul, it is not going to be all, Joyful butterflies and Rosé all day, right?
No,
Safrianna: that's not the human experience. It's just, it's not the human experience. And I think it is so essential, going back to the being, being in the anger, being in the sadness, being in the whatever, so we can feel it. Feel it in our energy because it does have the capacity also to spring load us into, the exact opposite, right?
Like you standing in this rage right now and you're welcome to share as much or as little of what's going on as you want But you're standing in this rage this mama bear rage of protecting your family from lies and Just a lot of toxicity and because you're standing in it, you're being with it and you're feeling it.
When you get to the other side of this, the joy, the happiness, the connection is going to be all the more profound because you built this charge.
Julie: Yes. It's the fuel that I will require to move through this from a place of personal power. Knowing that truth is on my side, that justice will happen, even though right now it sucks, and yeah, I will share a little bit.
Because anyone who's dealing with caring for their parents as they age and dementia sets in, it is hard. It is hard to navigate that while still raising my children and being mom to all six of them and in a beautiful relationship with my husband. Caring for a parent who isn't even experiencing cognitive issues is, it's incredibly honorable work, and it is hard as hell.
And when someone shows up to interrupt, The quality of care, the peace that is absolutely necessary within a household for a caregiver who's loving and beautiful and kind and is absolutely functioning in his role as husband, guardian, spouse, caregiver the interruption and the emotional abuse, the threats that are coming from this other person have worn down the beautiful caregiver and affected the quality of my mother's life.
Truly, truly. And now has temporarily. Lied to a judge to actually get her to sign a PPO against my husband and against me Wow this is Top rate bullshit. Yeah of epic proportions and because this person is staying at their house without their blessing eviction is in process as we speak.
It's a long process though. I hate that. It is. This has effectively cut off, not effective. This has cut off my parents from the support they require from us. We are the ones that the caregiver calls when things are going sideways fast,
Safrianna: when the
Julie: caregiver doesn't feel safe. Yeah. And so it's a classic abuse cycle where the abuser wants to completely isolate the victim from all forms of support.
And I guess the judge, who I voted for, by the way, I will just always put that in there.
I just don't know how she didn't call for a hearing. Before she signed off on it, but that's okay. That's okay. I, if she wants to be as protective as she can and to cover her ass, and anybody who knows my husband, anybody who knows me knows that it's impossible for us to lay a finger on anybody else in an angry, violent way.
I'm human glitter. It's impossible. And I also, I know this person. I know that this person who is. Who, that I won't even y'all can fill in the blanks you want, but I know enough that I have all the video evidence I need. And so I stand in my truth today, having been really angry last night, raging last night because I get to decide who am I being today, stepping into the ways of being that align with the outcome I desire.
And that is standing in the power of the goddess who I walk with every single day, who is on the side of justice and truth, and it will happen and it's going to take time, but you know what? Okay. I surrender to the time. I can't control that. What I can control. We don't love time. Ooh. Sometimes. Yes. Our funny selves decide that we can control it in any way, shape, or form.
And then we're reminded that.
Safrianna: There's so much in what you just said that I feel like it's just needs unpacked so much as a society, because, this person who has effectively cut off your contact from your parents, obviously has some very unresolved trauma enacting on the entire world around them and this whole family system.
And. By not being able to be in their own being and be empowered to feel all the shit that's going on in here They're cutting themselves off from being able to heal. They're cutting themselves off from being able to be in relationship They are effectively cutting themselves off from positive experiences
Julie: Absolutely, you nailed it because you understand Exactly that human experience having you know being in the work that you do And that's what is really sad.
And I can feel sorry for this individual who seems to have destroyed all the relationships. And no longer, at least for right now, isn't able to maintain any of the pretty impressive jobs he had affecting international policies,
And all that stuff. It's, it is I, Thought, what could have been an alternative to our reality?
Not that I stay in that place, but it's about the missed opportunity. Had this person not been affected and showing up and all the unhealthy, awful ways, what a remarkable life. Yeah. Could have had such a remarkable life. Yeah.
Safrianna: It's so interesting for me. I'm. Out of many years out of a domestic violence situation.
And I look back now on all of the experiences that I went I've been in more than one domestic violence situation if I'm being perfectly frank, but looking back on them, I recognize all the ways that trauma was impacting me and the people involved in the situations and that trauma is this massive global issue.
It's impact, it's in our blood. It's in our DNA at this point because we've had so much racial trauma. We've had so much sexism trauma. We've had so much body based, physical traumas, not to mention just everything that's happened. And in recent times, and yet we don't talk about the impact, like what would happen if we were even public schools never going to do it as public school currently is.
I was also a public school teacher and I have a lot to say on that. But just our failure to provide ways to talk about our feelings
Julie: is
Safrianna: crippling to us and it is tearing families apart. And you're literally standing in this right now where you've been able to do your own work around your stuff so that you can be with, the rage and the gratitude, right?
That's, I always do this with my clients, like holding I've heard a quote, I don't remember where it's from, but basically the enlightenment is being able to hold Positive and negative emotions simultaneously, basically. And when you can do that, the whole fricking world opens to you. Cause you can be like, wow, I'm having a really bad day over here.
I'm standing in my rage. Wow. I have this beautiful family right here. I can totally hug and be close to, and you can experience both instead of I'm In region, I need to take it out on everyone around me because I'm a victim and I need to prove my worth. And so all of this over here is inaccessible to me because I'm still in this.
And it's just this giant disservice to everyone that we don't have that information of how to hold this more readily available to us.
Julie: I think you just touched on something that is at the core of what the world needs right now, and I love that you just we're not going to tackle public education, but I will share this fun little imaginative moment that occurred a couple of weeks ago when I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is on our local school board and We have a school building that has been empty and vacant for a number of years due to some consolidation that happened.
And so they've started talking about what are they going to do with this building? And she posed the question to me, what should we do with that building? And the most delicious, what if idea popped into my mind. I said, we created a K through 12 school in one building that had the number one focus of mental wellbeing.
Yeah. Whoa. And that everything folded up under that and was informed by that and aligned by that. All the curriculum, right? Everything. I'd go back into teaching.
Safrianna: I'd go back into teaching. I loved teaching. Oh, I'm, I know we're not here to break down public education, but now we're on the topic and I'm feeling my feelings, the power of being in my feelings.
Like I did mindfulness Mondays with my students. I was an eighth grade English teacher for most of my career. Cool. Yeah. 13 and 14 year olds, 35 of them at a time. I think I had 160 students total. Oh gosh. And it grew every year. Like it's a mess, but again, but mindfulness Mondays, they so they blossomed in it, they would look forward to it.
Cause they didn't want to be in there doing, papers all the time. They wanted to be able to attune to themselves. I remember doing, I just did a meet one of your spirit guides animal meditation for them one day. And afterwards we literally broke down the symbolism of all the animals and these kids were like, so excited and so thrilled and so empowered by, wow, I got giraffe and giraffe teaches me this.
Like when we have all these tools for healing and again, just being in the feelings knowing that it's okay to be in the feelings, everything changes in our capacity to learn and grow expands tremendously. God, what would happen if we had a school like that?
So I just want, I'm just holding that juicy energy of just imagining what that would be like.
Julie: Exactly. Exactly. And maybe, right? Who knows? Who knows? And that's okay. I, that is as much as I do. Back to human design, I'm a manifesting generator.
Safrianna: I am too.
Julie: And Oh, this idea.
Oh, look at all those shiny things that I could do. Whoa. I have learned to appreciate the, Ooh, isn't that fun? And wouldn't it be playful and lovely to then set it aside and say, that's not for me right now.
Safrianna: Tell me more about how you've discerned. How can you discern when it's not time right now, or if it's never going to be time in this lifetime?
How do you figure that out? Ooh
Julie: because I know myself and I know that my Is my source of absolute truth. And when I shifted my business from events and weddings and a lot of local stuff and shifted my focus to become the retreat goddess and step in its beautiful, more divinely inspired work. I vibrated at a different frequency.
Safrianna: And.
Julie: The downloads from the moment that first download happened to all that have come after. And I have tapped into something far greater in my life than ever before. Yeah. And so the power of the vibration that I feel within me is the greatest guide I have to where I truly get to show up and serve.
Safrianna: Yeah. And that's that power of being right. Being able to feel the vibration, feel the moment, feel the path.
Julie: And even with all of that, I'm experiencing something really interesting right now because I've been looking at how anger is showing up, right? That sacred rage in all the places it is. And I'm starting to wonder if even for a little while, if I could align my gifts in a way that serve the shift that needs to happen.
In our nation right now. Yeah. And I think about my event planning and production skills, right? I launched festivals that have been very successful. I've got this sweet spot of big production skillset stuff. Okay. Would that be better serving my desire for humanity and where I desire our country to go to align myself with the ones who have.
Collectively, a greater power to see that through and that's really interesting. This is the first time I'm speaking about this beyond the little conversation I just had with my husband a couple of days ago. And I don't know if that's going to amount to anything. Maybe it will. And when that'd be lovely that I could really be the ally that I know I am in a greater way that truly serves this collective vision of a more loving, just, and inclusive world.
Safrianna: Yeah, and that's such an important mission and I'm all about collaboration. So we might need to have another conversation. Yes, absolutely. A whole lot more planners involved, but. Yeah. It's like, how can we use our gifts? And this is one of the number one pieces of wisdom that lately just wants to channel through me constantly is the most important thing you can do for collective healing is to heal yourself.
And when you are working on, and I have this. I call it healing versus healed and healing because I think that we reach a stage where like we've healed enough to know it's never going to be perfect. We're never going to be happy 24 seven. We're never going to be trauma free. So the healedness is just there.
Knowing that and loving ourselves anyway. And then we keep healing, right? So when we reach that point and we're pouring into our cup first, we're showing up for ourselves first and we're shining our gifts, right? You're opening the channel. You're able to get these downloads. You're able to have these profound moments.
That's when we get this clarity on where exactly we can impact humanity for the better, because you're in your power, you're in your passion. So I'm all about it. Thank you. I'm not going to say, yeah, go into it 24 seven, make this your whole life. No, to be able to give that gift back, even for one event, every two years or something that you just, you pour your passion and your heart and your soul into for making the world a better place like that would have a tremendous impact versus you again, grinding away and feeling like you have to make that your whole life and do that all the time.
Julie: I really appreciate you saying that and being someone who is courageous enough to look at my privilege as a white woman and how even Thoughts. And I remember having the thoughts that I had to do something. I had to create something all on my own, right? That very unhealthy, colonial, capitalistic mindset.
Safrianna: Absolutely.
Julie: That what I'm feeling now is not that it is. And you said at first collaboration, it is steeped in collaboration and service. Yes. And I don't want to create it on my own. Hell no. And channeling my inner Billy Porter, bitch has got to get paid.
Safrianna: Yes.
Julie: And so I am worth it Yes. To actually see if this could become something that I get paid to do.
Yes. Because I get to feed my family. I get to help pay for my daughter's study abroad semester in Japan this fall. Yay. That sounds so amazing. And I get to contribute to my household and as an equal partner financially. And I, and it feels so good to be able to say that now where there were, there's been times when I wasn't exactly this, and it's an energy exchange, and yes I can command the fees that I charge for the retreats that I design and host. And there is in that energy exchange.
Safrianna: Absolutely. Coming from a insurance coming from the public sector and public schools into agency and nonprofit and then insurance therapy work, like there's no valuing us at a, in a way that we can actually sustain ourselves in those.
And I'm huge. Like I'm like, I need to leave the therapy world now because I'm at that stage. Ooh, we've got a little anime hair going on here. We're at the stage where I literally can't hold my tongue when it comes to the whole nine to five job culture. I'm literally like, I can't tell you that it's ever going to get better.
That's impacting your mental health because the system is literally designed to drag you down.
Julie: Absolutely.
Safrianna: And I'm like, okay, we're going into the coaching space now. Cause the mental, how am I supposed to show up as a medical provider when I am able to recognize that all of the source of the disease, the mental health diagnosis.
Is literally just a product of being stuck in a system that is disempowering anybody that's not, a millionaire.
Julie: Yeah, absolutely. And waking up to a deeper truth that is only allowing us to finally see the way forward, which is nobody's coming to save us. This is our work to do. Each and every one of us.
And, I've been a student of the work since 2016 and, transformational personal growth, that kind of work I speak of and the story, the empowering stories of all it would take to shift humanity. We're pretty inspiring, and some say that it could take 2 percent of whatever population to shift.
Okay. Sign me up.
Safrianna: Yeah. And that's where the collaboration comes in because I really think about webs creatrix. I see everything as webs and connectedness and, flow charts and all that good stuff. But if I, as one person can do my healing work and impact, Even let's just say three for the sake of me being able to do this on the screen.
And then each of those people then goes and impacts three and then each of them goes and impacts three like the branching gets So like it's rapid.
Julie: Yes
Safrianna: Whereas when we're when i'm stuck in this system where I have to be burnt out in order to Make ends meet, right? My impact on those three people is like 5 percent of what I'm able to give.
So those three people aren't going to go impact three more people because of the impact that they've had for me. They might impact one other person, or maybe it really helps them. Yay! But the impact sucks. stops there. And when we can collaborate and we can have an impact on more people, that's why these live conversations, I'm like, we just need to be having these conversations publicly because there are people that need to hear them.
And maybe they don't have the resources to go talk to a coach.
But hearing something mindset wise on, a podcast or a call or reading something might be the spark. But anyway, when we're able to really concentrate our energy or healing energy and really have an impact on a group of people, it does start to ripple out.
And yeah, I think that as low as 2 percent like if 2 percent of the people in the world right now. Stood up and said, we're not doing it the way we used to. Like the system itself would begin to crumble because it's only functioning because so many of us are in it. Those of us running it like on the grunt level, right?
Step out of it. It's all going to fall apart.
Julie: Oh, and I'm here for it. I'm here for it.
Safrianna: Down. It is. We've been very spicy in my polycule lately because we just, we have a lot of. Kitchen table conversations about capitalism and whatnot. And we've been having a lot of talks about how the system is not broken.
It's working as intended. It's working as intended by those in power to keep them in power.
Julie: Yeah.
Safrianna: It's not about fixing the system and improving it. It's about dismantling it and rebuilding it in a way that it can serve everyone.
Julie: Absolutely. And and I say this in a very loving way. I have six children, y'all.
I have helped to raise them to be. Exquisitely beautiful, joyful, hardworking, loving, inclusive, justice seeking humans in this world. So I've curated, call it my basketball team, my own little army, whatever you want. I do. And this I've been really intentional with my husband and how we have raised these children.
And I'm not here to say I'm doing it all right. Cause I make mistakes all the time still, and they will let me know. Good. And I celebrate the exquisiteness of each and every one of them. And I see them every day showing up in all the ways that make this world a better place.
Safrianna: Yeah.
Julie: And that is my secret weapon more than anything else.
And the partners they're choosing, cause I have more adult children than minor children at this point. And that is where I'm seeing that ripple just flow. And I couldn't be more grateful. Yeah. More proud, more joyful and to be able to experience that right now is is just so beautiful and it buoys me in these troubled times and especially dealing with somebody who doesn't have, that could not ever conceive of the beauty of a truly loving, deeply connected relationship.
Safrianna: Yeah.
Julie: I've got that in spades and it is sad that other person will never know. Yeah.
Safrianna: Bingo. And that's, that was huge in my own healing work is being able to shift from that victim mentality to, wow, that person is so lacking love for themselves and they can't receive it for, from anyone else because they're completely blocked off and they're pushing everyone else away.
That's right.
Julie: The ego that's driving that bus is never going to connect that person to healing. And connection,
Safrianna: unless something tremendous within them shifts, which we can hope and pray for a while standing in our boundaries of not allowing them into our space.
Julie: Yep, absolutely. And my dear dad, before he passed, when same person was being a little shit, said this could be enough for them to have that shift.
They either will or they won't. And it's completely up to them.
Safrianna: And they didn't take the shift. It sounds like so
Julie: sad for them. And I'm still going to source joy every day. I still get to connect deeply, authentically with you today. I still get to be me. I still write back to being this, I still get to choose how I'm showing up in this world.
Safrianna: Yes. The power of being. So I think that is a great place to leave this conversation. And I hope that this was helpful for some people today. I saw some live comments coming in Carrie said, thank you for doing this and sharing and yeah, this, these are such important conversations to just have and keep having, and thank you for showing up authentically as you and, embracing The duality of human existence, because when we do that human existence can be something joyful.
Finally.
Julie: Joyful. And oh, so delicious.
Safrianna: Yes. Thank you for those of us who joined us live or who catch the replay. Thank you so much, Julie, for joining me. It was so good to finally actually get to talk to you one on one. And I know that this is just the beginning.
Julie: Oh, yes it is. And I appreciate you so much, Safrina.
Thank you.
Safrianna: All right. Bye for now.
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